GOT SVT
11-13-2003, 03:01 PM
what do you guys think about having it at watkins glen?
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Jstas
11-13-2003, 07:38 PM
It's certainly easier fo me to get to than BeaveRun. I'd be for it.
PhillyCobra
11-13-2003, 09:42 PM
Definitely a great possibility for those of us in the Philadelphia area. Nicer than Pocono, probably easier to get to than Lime Rock.
Jstas
11-14-2003, 05:38 AM
Well yeah but see, the difference between Lime Rock and BeaveRun is that Lime Rock is worth the 5-6 hour drive.
GOT SVT
11-14-2003, 07:25 AM
jstas
beaverun was an excellent event and track
fun and learning was had by all who attented
have you ever been there?
beaverun was an excellent event and track
fun and learning was had by all who attented
have you ever been there?
Jstas
11-14-2003, 07:58 AM
No I haven't and I am not saying that it isn't. What I am saying is that Lime Rock has history. BeaveRun doesn't. Watkins Glen also has history behind it. Lime Rock and Watkins Glen are more desirable locations and it is not just because of history and heritage either. There is alot more in the way of hotels and other facilities near Lime Rock and Watkins Glen. That makes it more worth my time to me.
I can justify a trip to one of those two tracks more so than trekking all the way out to BeaveRun. Part of my problem is that if I goto an SVTOA On Track event, I'm driving there and racing the vehicle I drove there. I have no choice in that matter. So I have no RV that I can park and live in while there. I need things like hotels and restaurants if I am going to trek out there. There is very little near by BeaveRun. It was a major player in my decision not to go.
In addition, this is a North East Region activity and BeaveRun is literally on the very edge of the North East region. While it is not that difficult for those of us here in Jersey and Eastern Pennsylvania to go, others from down in Maryland and Virginia and up north above New York are looking at 6-10 hours of driving to get there. That is quite unfair to force 90% of the region to drive such a long distance to participate in thier regional activity. Especially when there are tracks more centralized that are just as good if not better than BeaveRun. Most would have to take an entire week worth of vacation to attend to allow for 1 day of driving there and 1 day of driving back. It also didn't help that the event ran into the work week rather than spanning a weekend. I understand that was due to BeaveRun's policy on track rental but enough of a stink was made about that to at least consider other options instead of telling everyone to basically deal with it. Nothing against BeaveRun, I just feel that a regional activity should cater to the desires of the region and not where and how National dictates it should be.
I can justify a trip to one of those two tracks more so than trekking all the way out to BeaveRun. Part of my problem is that if I goto an SVTOA On Track event, I'm driving there and racing the vehicle I drove there. I have no choice in that matter. So I have no RV that I can park and live in while there. I need things like hotels and restaurants if I am going to trek out there. There is very little near by BeaveRun. It was a major player in my decision not to go.
In addition, this is a North East Region activity and BeaveRun is literally on the very edge of the North East region. While it is not that difficult for those of us here in Jersey and Eastern Pennsylvania to go, others from down in Maryland and Virginia and up north above New York are looking at 6-10 hours of driving to get there. That is quite unfair to force 90% of the region to drive such a long distance to participate in thier regional activity. Especially when there are tracks more centralized that are just as good if not better than BeaveRun. Most would have to take an entire week worth of vacation to attend to allow for 1 day of driving there and 1 day of driving back. It also didn't help that the event ran into the work week rather than spanning a weekend. I understand that was due to BeaveRun's policy on track rental but enough of a stink was made about that to at least consider other options instead of telling everyone to basically deal with it. Nothing against BeaveRun, I just feel that a regional activity should cater to the desires of the region and not where and how National dictates it should be.
Sharppony
11-14-2003, 09:09 AM
I have been to SAAC Events at both Lime Rock and Watkins Glen. I can assure everyone that both are nice facilities and have a great deal of history. You do have to travel some distance for accomodations at either of these tracks.
Beaverun I haven't been to yet, probably the main reason I didn't consider going to the 2003 regional event was the time of year it was scheduled for. A month earlier and I probably would have attended and I'm sure it was a consideration for others as well. Jstas has a valid point regarding location in relationship to the NorthEast Region, but that wasn't a factor. I think the fact that it was a Sunday, Monday event in late October hurt attendance most.
To me, date is as important as location. :cbra:
Beaverun I haven't been to yet, probably the main reason I didn't consider going to the 2003 regional event was the time of year it was scheduled for. A month earlier and I probably would have attended and I'm sure it was a consideration for others as well. Jstas has a valid point regarding location in relationship to the NorthEast Region, but that wasn't a factor. I think the fact that it was a Sunday, Monday event in late October hurt attendance most.
To me, date is as important as location. :cbra:
Gastrader1
11-16-2003, 06:19 PM
I would agree with JSTAS comments regarding Lime Rock and Watkins Glen both having more history than Beaverun. However, based on what I have seen Beaverun was and is one of the finest facilities to hold a driving school at. Remember, we are at these facilities to learn how to better drive our vehicles. Since I cannot comment on the hotels and other surroundign facilities near Lime Rock nor Watkins Glen, but I can assure everyone that within 20 minutes of Beaverun there is at least 50 restaurants and almost every "Major" hotel chain that exists.
The majority of the people that filled out the surveys from the Beaverun event all drove there vehicles over 300 miles. We had people from Kansas, Oklahoma, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan and none of them towed there vehicles to this track. Not only did we have twelve states represented at this event, but everyone that came had more driving time then they could handle. That was clear when we shut the track down early on Monday.
Regarding 2004's Northeast Regional event. Not only have I been working on this event for over 2 months but the people in Detroit have also been working on getting this done. If anyone has any suggestions please feel free to contact me.
Thank You
Brian Shafranek
Northeast Regional Director
The majority of the people that filled out the surveys from the Beaverun event all drove there vehicles over 300 miles. We had people from Kansas, Oklahoma, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan and none of them towed there vehicles to this track. Not only did we have twelve states represented at this event, but everyone that came had more driving time then they could handle. That was clear when we shut the track down early on Monday.
Regarding 2004's Northeast Regional event. Not only have I been working on this event for over 2 months but the people in Detroit have also been working on getting this done. If anyone has any suggestions please feel free to contact me.
Thank You
Brian Shafranek
Northeast Regional Director
Jstas
11-17-2003, 08:26 AM
I did have suggestion for the last event and they were all played down or ignored. Look, I'm not going to get into an argument over it. There was a good deal of reasons that I did not go to the last event. The two biggest hitters were distance and time. It was a long drive for me and would have required more vacation time that was possible for me to take from work at the time. The date was bad because it spanned a Sunday and Monday. It was difficult to get a hotel room for Saturday through Tuesday and the time of year was a bad choice IMO also. The North-East region of the country starts having foul weather become an issue for events in early September.
Gastrader1
11-17-2003, 08:32 AM
Whom did you tell regarding suggestions for this event? If you had asked someone to relay this information to me, they did not do that. That is why I asked for your input.
Brian Shafranek
Northeast Regional Director
Brian Shafranek
Northeast Regional Director
Jstas
11-17-2003, 03:32 PM
It was a while back and I was speaking with the SVTOA On-Track guys. It was before they announced your chapter as the hosts.
Gastrader1
11-17-2003, 03:43 PM
John, Please respond to the email that I sent to you. I will gladly discuss this with you on the telephone.
Brian
Brian
Sharppony
11-19-2003, 05:45 PM
I had some very good conversations with Brian regarding the Northeast Regional On Track events. He IS trying to give us what we would like, it's not as easy as we may think. Remember there are only so many tracks and so many weekends. Let's be constructive in our criticism, and remember Brian is a volunteer like the rest of us.
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