Car & Driver Tests New Shelby GT500

[RMitchell12]

They were less than impressed, and based on the performance numbers they got, I am too. I can only hope that somehow they got a unit that just isn't up to par.

Best they could do is 4.6 0-60 and a 12.9 @ 108. Hell, stock 03's and 04's run that or a tad better. It's a porker, and priced at 41,950. That's only about 4K under a base C6.

I've been looking forward to this car for 18 months, and had planned on replacing my '04 with one, once prices come down to some reasonable level of sanity. White with blue stripes or blue with white stripes. Now I'm not so sure. Hopefully when they start hitting the streets and strips we'll see performance that's better that C&D reported.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[marcobra]

...Best they could do is 4.6 0-60 and a 12.9 @ 108....

Motor Trend measured the 1/4 mile in 12.7 secs.

[RevMatt]

They were less than impressed, and based on the performance numbers they got, I am too. I can only hope that somehow they got a unit that just isn't up to par.

Best they could do is 4.6 0-60 and a 12.9 @ 108. Hell, stock 03's and 04's run that or a tad better. It's a porker, and priced at 41,950. That's only about 4K under a base C6.

I've been looking forward to this car for 18 months, and had planned on replacing my '04 with one, once prices come down to some reasonable level of sanity. White with blue stripes or blue with white stripes. Now I'm not so sure. Hopefully when they start hitting the streets and strips we'll see performance that's better that C&D reported.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

:wzup: This months Road & Track article and numbers were not that impressive either!! :cbra: Cobras are for keeps!! this Shelby thing is a pig! :jawdrop:

[dwtalso]

There was an article in the last ITO talking about the release of the car to the press. They mentioned numbers between 12.25 to 12.9 for ET, and 108 to 113 mph for trap speed. Which is right where I thought it would be :).

The price is better than I expected but it will be a year or so (or good luck and a friendly dealer) if anyone gets one for that price.

But just remember: the GT500 is about $600 (pulley and flash tuner) from 550 bhp. It's about $4500 (Exhaust, twin-screw blower, and tune) from 700+ bhp. The turbo boys in my area already have a couple of GT500 customers planning to drop-ship their cars to the shop, so it's a fair bet that by X-mas there's GT500's making 1000 hp to the rear wheels ;). Maybe even by Thanksgiving if the twin-screw crowd gets busy :D.

Yeah, the 'Vette's better in other areas but there's no way it touches this Ford for the simple pleasure of making a street/strip car rediculously fast :D. I think the GT500 is still way too heavy for my tastes and they put the worst blower on it for road race work, so it's not going to impress anybody for a long while in twisty events.

[RevMatt]

There was an article in the last ITO talking about the release of the car to the press. They mentioned numbers between 12.25 to 12.9 for ET, and 108 to 113 mph for trap speed. Which is right where I thought it would be :).

The price is better than I expected but it will be a year or so (or good luck and a friendly dealer) if anyone gets one for that price.

But just remember: the GT500 is about $600 (pulley and flash tuner) from 550 bhp. It's about $4500 (Exhaust, twin-screw blower, and tune) from 700+ bhp. The turbo boys in my area already have a couple of GT500 customers planning to drop-ship their cars to the shop, so it's a fair bet that by X-mas there's GT500's making 1000 hp to the rear wheels ;). Maybe even by Thanksgiving if the twin-screw crowd gets busy :D.

Yeah, the 'Vette's better in other areas but there's no way it touches this Ford for the simple pleasure of making a street/strip car rediculously fast :D. I think the GT500 is still way too heavy for my tastes and they put the worst blower on it for road race work, so it's not going to impress anybody for a long while in twisty events.

:wow: Time will tell!! :wtf:

[RevMatt]

:wzup:
These are the numbers, if I recall correctly, from R & Ts GT 500 article. I would LOVE to see a run between a stock 03-04 Cobra and a stock GT500... Coupe vs coupe and convertible vs convertible,,,, :guns:

[apexmotorsports]

Hot Rod Magazine did a test this month also and IS ABSOLUTELY thrilled about the car. Don't remember the #'s but they were real happy with the car. I wonder if the car C&D & Motor Trend got was a pre-production unit.

[GT500x2]

Newbie here and first time on this forum.

My sign in name GT500x2 as have 2 on order

MT's Road test specs

12.7 @ 116mph (that mph indicates a lot of power)
0-100 in under 10 seconds

.92 on skid pad

standing mile car ran over 150mph

157.5mph top speed

3944 lb curb weight as tested less driver

I am a Power Lease Customer

What are some honest times on a pure stock 2003-2004 Cobra?
What did magazine road test say?

I have scanned this entire MT article if anyone wants to see it. (2007 GT500)

[dwtalso]

The stock '03/'04 coupes were mid to low 13 cars in the mags. There were a few high 13 cars reported as well as, eventually, a car in the 12's. So the GT500, despite the 300 lb difference, is already faster in the mags, which it should be with anywhere from 70 to 100 more rwhp in stock trim.

At the real tracks the good '03/'04 drivers are/were getting stock '03/'04 cars into the low 12's consistently. If the 500 bhp on the GT500 is a tad underrated, and the Hot Rod article and other trap speeds seem to indicate that it is, then the GT500 should hit the low 12's pretty soon and 11's before the end of summer in stock trim :).

Another thing to remember that rags, *especially* Motor Trend and Car & Driver do *not* put *any* effort into making the cars go as fast as their potential. They climb in, wander on to the track, and make a few nice, fun, runs. Kinda like what your average joe owner who tracks the car a few times a summer does :). The serious enthusiasts will be at least half second faster than the mag drivers.

[vger]

In the book "Powered by SVT Celebrating a Decade of Ford Performance" on page 152, 2003 Cobra Specifications it says that the 2003 Cobra will do the 1/4 mile in 12.67 @ 110.11 mph*** ***Source: Musle Mustangs & fast Fords, July 2002.
0-60 4.5 sec** **Source: Car and Driver, June 2002
Top Speed 155 mph Electronically Limited* *Source: SVT.
I have read in magazine reports from the Salt Flats of 180 mph + with the limiter removed (or lifted with a tuner) but running with a stock tune.
:spinem: :spinem:

[randrade1]

and i read 114 trap speed so high 11s low 12s.


but again who cares, not until the car is on the streets and rollers will we see the true potential of the car.

[RevMatt]

:wzup:
I have a link to a 2002 Road & Track test of the 03 in the Saleen or GT500 thread.... Check it out.
:spinem:

[canadasvt]

I can only hope that somehow they got a unit that just isn't up to par.

Are these Mustangs production or prototype models?

[dwtalso]

The press fleet was introduced to the rags in April and it's made up of production ready vehicles.

[keilhauer]

Are these Mustangs production or prototype models?

Don't forget that Job1 for the 07 Mustang is scheduled for THIS week (June 5-9), and that the mags are about 3-months ahead when they do their testing/articles. This means they had a car from maybe March? or earlier. So it would be a pre-production test mule or prototype of some kind. Let's wait until someone gets a car off the line and run numbers on it then to see what the car will do.

And whether it is off by a tenth or two, who cares? Are we going to complain about that too now? I'm hearing more and more complaints about trivial items than I can ever remember on this site. It used to be people getting together to talk about GOOD things - now all I read about are things like 'my car only did 13.2 when it should do 13.1 or 13 all day'.

And don't get me started about the pricing for this car. Remember, it's MSRP, folks, which is Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price. At no point does it say a dealer has to sell it for that amount. Why shouldn't they ask more for it if they can get it? How long have they given discounts up the wazoo on just about everything else? No one complained then. Now, all of a sudden, when they can actually make some money on something, everyone is up in arms how the dealer is 'gouging' the customer. Maybe we should convert to that 'other' type of government system and we can all drive Trabants.

[canadasvt]

Don't forget that Job1 for the 07 Mustang is scheduled for THIS week (June 5-9), and that the mags are about 3-months ahead when they do their testing/articles. This means they had a car from maybe March? or earlier. So it would be a pre-production test mule or prototype of some kind. Let's wait until someone gets a car off the line and run numbers on it then to see what the car will do.
Thanks for the info on Job1 date. So these were at the very least pre-production products.

[canadasvt]

And don't get me started about the pricing for this car. Remember, it's MSRP, folks, which is Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price. At no point does it say a dealer has to sell it for that amount. Why shouldn't they ask more for it if they can get it? How long have they given discounts up the wazoo on just about everything else? No one complained then. Now, all of a sudden, when they can actually make some money on something, everyone is up in arms how the dealer is 'gouging' the customer. Maybe we should convert to that 'other' type of government system and we can all drive Trabants.
Now keilhauer, don't forget to mention to everyone reading this post that you are a Ford dealership up here in Ontario. :kiss:

[keilhauer]

I think most people who are regulars on this site know that, plus it's in my bio. I've been both sides of the desk and have only been doing sales for the last 6 years, but it still amazes me how this profession is perceived. Unfortunately, much of it is based on old-school biases. Sure there are some still out there who think it's the way to do things, but I don't think it is a true representation of who we are.

I gave up 22 years of service at a major gas utility company to start a new career in auto sales, and that's what it is - a career. I've taken alot of in-depth training to learn how to sell a car, as I didn't have a clue before I started. I knew cars, but not how to sell them. I still take regular training and have a lot of pride in my job. Do I feel guilty when I make a few bucks selling something? Not any more, because I've been had by customers, too (their immaculate trade we trusted them on turned out to have $10K in undisclosed damages for example and I got burned on a revised commission). I get "I want to buy from you and will be right back with a cash deposit" only never to hear from them again. Or the phony phone number on the 'hot prospect' who was going to trade their Z28 on a new GT. We get all kinds of stories. Does it **** me off? You bet. But the next customer can walk in and say "How much is that?" and give me a cheque on the spot without dickering on our sale price, so I take it all in stride.

I hear and read alot of bashing of salespeople on this site. Is it warranted? In some cases maybe. But not all of us should be painted with the same brush. Are all electricians, plumbers, teachers, appliance sales, bus drivers or any other field of work all saints - each and every one? I bet not. But I bet that there are more honest ones than not. Funny how everyone thinks a car salesperson is dishonest. I try not to think every customer is dishonest, and treat everyone with the respect they deserve when they walk in the front door of my showroom. I will continue that until they prove otherwise that they don't deserve it (arrogance and demeaning attitudes are not the way to get a good deal. Be nice is all you have to do) I just wish I could get the respect I deserve from every customer who walks in to my showroom. Let me show you what I have to offer and work out a fair price - for both of us. Heck, I have a mortgage to pay and two kids in pre-school just like you probably. Why shouldn't I be allowed to make a few bucks? I hear appliance and electronics sales is pretty lucrative (do you know how much markup is on a plasma tv or a washer/dryer combo?). But I love cars and chose this field because of it.

I don't want to come across as if I'm comlaining, so don't boohoo this post. It's a fact of the profession that I knew about before getting into it. I chose this (although my wife really hates it sometimes, especially in a dry spell) and I miss my kids alot working nightshift. But it's what I CHOSE to do. I get to drive some really cool cars (I got to drive the new FORD GT a couple weeks back, have had Cobra's as demos) and because we're an SVT Dealer and sponsor an SVTOA Chapter (SVTOA Eastern Ontario Region for a selfless plug) I get to participate in On-Track Events and meet really cool people who love cars - especially fast ones - just like I do.

It just boggles the mind to see people complain about pricing, like it's expected to be free. A Shelby, and previous Cobra and other SVT in general, are special, unique vehicles created and built by enthusiasts. I think many people have forgotten that part and are so fixated on the almighty dollar. Heck, if you think it's too expensive or overpriced, no one is twisting your arm and forcing you to buy it. Go get a Vette if you think it's a better car, like alot of you are threatening to do. Maybe you don't deserve to buy it anyway. But it'll never be a Shelby, or Cobra, or other SVT. This isn't a ****y attitude speaking either. I have 49 people who want one of these and only will get 15 this year. Let me tell you, #16 will do just about anything to get to #15. And price isn't an issue. He just wants the car because of what it is and what it represents to him.

I think I've rambled enough. I'll be lucky if this post takes and expect backlash from many. But I know there are others out there who will agree with me on many of these points, too, so I'll take solice in that and bid everyone good night.

[canadasvt]

I think I've rambled enough. I'll be lucky if this post takes and expect backlash from many. But I know there are others out there who will agree with me on many of these points, too, so I'll take solice in that and bid everyone good night.
Okay, just thought you should mention that you were the 'they' in your original post.
BTW I paid $743 out the door for my Fridgidaire side-by-side which listed for $1897, so I do understand mark-up and how to deal with it. Another reason why when I go into the sales area at Ford stores I don't bother mentioning my Ford A-Plan price in my back pocket. Helps to shop around.

[deactivated]

i have no problem with Ford making money on it, that company needs all the money it can get. However, Ford isnt getting any of that markup, just the dealer. The dealers have little bottom line loyalty to Ford. You think they are going to pass that markup back to Ford..no way.

People complain about the bad things these days because thats all that there is left. Ford has destroyed what trust they had between the enthusiasts with the crap they are pulling with SVTOA.

[keilhauer]

Hey, I know the ADM won't get back to Ford - that's what it is "Additional Dealer Markup", not AMM for Manufacturer. MSRP is Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price, too, so it's not carved in stone what a dealer has to sell ANY vehicle for, for that matter. The negotiational process has been around for eon's, and is unlikely to change anytime soon. Bartering is in the human collective as a way of purchasing goods. How many 'One Price' strategies have been put forth only to go by the wayside? Saturn tried it, yet you can still negotiate on the trade (although rumours still abound that you can get a lower price on a Saturn anyway). Toyota apparantly tried it too, but found it to be NOT successful. Customers indicated they didn't want one price as they perceived it as price-fixing.

As for dealer loyalty to Ford? Do you have any idea what it takes to run a successful franchise? Anyone can operate a Ford store, but can it be sustainable and get loyal customers? Earning business is key, not buying business. And therein lies another issue. 'Loyal Customers'. Not just to the brand, but to the dealership itself. I work hard to earn a customers business and get annoyed when they go elsewhere to service or buy their next one just because their payment is $5 lower per month. This after I've bent over backwards to look after them for the last 3 years any time they had a problem, or loaned them my own car when they came in for an oil change so they can go shopping, because they couldn't wait 1/2 hour. Isn't that worth a few extra bucks?

Anyway, this is getting way off topic for the GT500 forum. I've talked about this stuff before and don't think this is the right place for it. However, that being said, if posts come up about 'so-and-so charged me too much for my car' or other similar stuff, maybe us salespeople should post what lousy treatment we've received by so-called customers. Only fair to hear both sides, isn't it?

[Mgrad92]

I certainly hope that that Ford sees the benefit of doing a R version of this car. Delete the stereo, sound deadening, etc., Then maybe it will keep pace with the Corvettes.
Every car has to strike a balance between style, safety, performance and weight. Ford tends to pursue everything except weight reduction. For instance, the current F150 is much better than it's predicessor. More stylish, better interior, quieter, and more powerful, but it's also significantly heavier. Same with the Mustang. Ford just doesn't get the weight reduction thing.
It's a shame, because taking off weight is the key to acceleration, cornering, braking and fuel efficiency.

[deactivated]

they gotta have these all beefed up with sound deadening material and cushy seats so the aging baby boomers' hemmeroids dont flare up. so good luck on an R version.

heck just ripping off the big chrome letters that say "look at me i own a shelby!" probably saves 5 pounds.

[dwtalso]

There's already an R version; it's the FR500C. 400 bhp 5.0L and around 3200 lbs curb weight. Hangs with Porsche 996/7 and BMW M3. With a tad more power and some suspension tweaks it'll chase a 'Vette OK but the Z06 will still beat it in the long run. I'm hoping some variant of this becomes an IRS model and maybe gets called Boss :).

[vger]

they gotta have these all beefed up with sound deadening material and cushy seats so the aging baby boomers' hemmeroids dont flare up. so good luck on an R version.

Are you trying to tell us something???? :hehe: :D

[deactivated]

no, I'm far from being a baby boomer.


on topic again, why has it come to pass that the Mustang has to keep up with a Corvette? the Corvette is chevys halo car, the Ford GT is fords...let those compete....the mustang needs to get ready for the impending Challengers and Camaros coming.

[keilhauer]

Well spoke, Inteller. Finally we get back to what the Mustang's intended role is. It has NO direct competition and won't until Camaro and Challenger come along. Compare Mustang with an M3 (or 330i for that matter), or a G35/350Z and maybe you have some basis for a comparo, but Mustang wins hands-down on performance vs value equation.

Funny, now that I think of it, everyone has said they'd 'take a Vette for the price', but NO ONE has said they'd take anything else that is Mustang's current competition. That in itself speaks volumes for the great car we have.

[deactivated]

well now i think we should consider the shelby separate from the V6s and GTs for a moment. The Shelby has placed itself into competition with the vette because of its ridiculous pricetag. Ford created that problem when they decided to go "up market" However, i dont care how many times you polish a turd, it is still a turd and an expensive one at that....thats the sole reason why people say they will go buy a vette. If you have that much money to throw around you want to spend it well. The GT500 and the Z06 may be two totally different cars when it comes to street performance, but they are right now direct price competitors.

of course on the other end of the scale you have people saying they would get a vette over a Ford GT because of the price difference. If the vette is truely on par with a GTs street performance (somehow I doubt) then those people have a valid point on both fronts.

I'm tired of chevy's crude motors anyways. Their answer to everything is more liters. I'm sure the next corvette will be a single piston 12L that needs an extra trailer to pull it. why that company could never innovate with better valve/cam/FI technology is beyond me.

[keilhauer]

'ridiculous pricetag'? From an MSRP standpoint (and let's leave out ADM's at this point, please) the car is only marginally more expensive than the last Cobra. I'm using CDN pricing, cause I don't know U.S. in this case. We were at $47K for a 2004 coupe. A 2007 Shelby is $52K, so a $5K difference to move up 3 model years, a completely new body style, 110bhp in the factory rating and around 100lb/ft torque. How much did all that engineering cost? Now I know you're all going to say 'well, they went with a live-axle vs IRS'. Have you driven a new GT? How much of a real-world difference is there in a back-to-back comparison? I bet that joe average can't tell the difference. The guy or gal who can drive 8/10ths or 9/10ths might, but then can only do that on the track anyway (unless they're morons who do THAT kind of extreme driving on the street, in which case you should be ashamed of yourselves!).

[deactivated]

no, you cant leave the ADMs out because that is how they will be sold at a MAJORITY of the dealerships. I know, I know your dealership doesnt do that....but the rest can and do. And then you can even say "well how do you know because they arent even out yet?" PRECISELY....just go look on ebay at all the dealer "above MSRP" auctions. Its GONNA happen, and when it does, those with brains are going to go get a Z06. Forget the currency conversions....a Shelby will be $52k IN USD! Heck I've heard mumbles of dealers not letting them go for less that $80k....80k! Ford should have a rule against that crap. But they dont, which is why Z06 sales will flourish and GT500 sales will flourish....among idiots.

[canadasvt]

A 2007 Shelby is $52K. Exactly how much is your dealership selling/sold these for?
My local 'SVT' :rolleyes: dealership is selling them for $58K CDN. These markups remind me of the Buick GN back in '87 and less than a year later the greedy dealers had to sell them below retail :D . I still know GM fans that refuse to go near those dealerships to this day. It's called Karma, and I like it.

[dgilmore]

Having owned 5 different Mustangs (old and new), I love em as much as the next person here. What has always been one of their "strong" points, in my opionion, was the performance for the price. Some call it "bang for the buck." This why I am disappointed in the current GT 500. The local dealer has limited his ADM to $10,000-$12,000, which means the convertible will "only" be 57-59k. I was willing to be gouged at that price until I read the specs and reviews. To pay almost 40% more than my current SVT for a car that has 25% more horsepower but doesn't give the corresponding payback in speed or performance strays far from what the core Mustang has always been about, bang for the buck.

[marcobra]

Having owned 5 different Mustangs (old and new), I love em as much as the next person here. What has always been one of their "strong" points, in my opionion, was the performance for the price. Some call it "bang for the buck." This why I am disappointed in the current GT 500. The local dealer has limited his ADM to $10,000-$12,000, which means the convertible will "only" be 57-59k. I was willing to be gouged at that price until I read the specs and reviews. To pay almost 40% more than my current SVT for a car that has 25% more horsepower but doesn't give the corresponding payback in speed or performance strays far from what the core Mustang has always been about, bang for the buck.

I appreciate what you’re saying, but I don’t completely agree. In our economy, the basic core Mustang is still there in the standard V6 and GT V8 version. They are priced competitively in their market. The specialty cars (Saleen, GT500, etc) are not core Mustangs; for example, I remember back in 67 and 68 only rarely seeing a Shelby Mustang. Those cars were owned by the more affluent. Same today, the GT500 is designed for those people who are looking purely for a specialty car and who can afford it. By the way, the GT500 is even more special in that it sports extreme power and bears the name of a legend. What little actual performance there is over the 03/04 cobra takes a back seat to what is on paper. Remember, image is everything.

Buyers in 1968 paid 85% more for the GT500 than the core Mustang. Today, the GT500 costs 100% more than the core V6 Mustang (without markup). But that is to be expected in our economy where the percentage of affluent people is much greater than ever before, so great as a matter of fact that the $20K markup is but a drop in the bucket. To appreciate what I’m saying, all one has to do is drive around and see all the huge homes in gated communities with Humvees and Mercedes parked in the driveways. There are many of these homes and communities and they are not cheap. People have money.

No one is being gouged as buyers have the choice to buy or not to buy. The simple solution is simply to make more money. The GT500, like the Corvette and Viper, is not for everyone.

[canadasvt]

To appreciate what I’m saying, all one has to do is drive around and see all the huge homes in gated communities with Humvees and Mercedes parked in the driveways. There are many of these homes and communities and they are not cheap. People have money.

You'd think. When I was a mailman most of these huge homes with expensive cars in the driveways were the people receiving past due notices for everything. Wouldn't be long before the homes were being sold by the banks that actually owned these homes (mortgages). Usually the guy with the good conditioin Kcar in the driveway of the bungalow has the real money. Perception is nothing. People owe money and own nothing.
Anyway, in my opinion anyone that buys a GT500 shouldn't expect exclusivity as you'll see many pass by as you drive around. The #'s on my Marauder are much lower than an SVT and I see many around, but having paid $11K less than sticker keeps me out of debt.

The people with real money will be enjoying their GT500's up hear all year round with snows on in the winter, not just so it may be worth something in the far future.

I wonder how much my buds SHELBY Charger is worth these days? :bash:

[marcobra]

...When I was a mailman most of these huge homes with expensive cars in the driveways were the people receiving past due notices for everything.... :bash:

Was that information inside or outside the envelope? :huh:

In any event, past due notices I'm sure are there but they are not as common as you imply.

[canadasvt]

[QUOTE=marcobra]Was that information inside or outside the envelope? :huh: QUOTE]


lol You can tell by the colour of the address notice or envelope.

[marcobra]

[QUOTE=marcobra]Was that information inside or outside the envelope? :huh: QUOTE]


lol You can tell by the colour of the address notice or envelope.

:tmb:

[RMitchell12]

However, that being said, if posts come up about 'so-and-so charged me too much for my car' or other similar stuff, maybe us salespeople should post what lousy treatment we've received by so-called customers. Only fair to hear both sides, isn't it?

(rant mode on)

Let me start off by saying that I don't like ADM's and will not pay them. Just won't do it.

That said, a dealer has the right to charge whatever the market will bear. Someone who whines "the dealer charged me to much" has no one to blame but themselves. For something like a new Shelby, which is not a "necessity" it's impossible to be charged "too much". You're charged what you're willing to pay, and if you're dumb enough to pay a premium of several thousand dollars, you weren't "charged to much"....you were charged what you were willing to pay.

So......if you go out and pay $10K over MSRP for a new Shelby, don't come back here whining about it. YOU made the decision to pay the price.

(rant mode off)

Bob

[deactivated]

in the future these cars will be expensive museum pieces since there wont be gas to power them.

[marcobra]

The author here (http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/01/Autos/carreviews/ford_shelby_gt500/index.htm) concludes on a dollar-per-smile basis the GT is a better value.

[keilhauer]

(rant mode on)

Let me start off by saying that I don't like ADM's and will not pay them. Just won't do it.

That said, a dealer has the right to charge whatever the market will bear. Someone who whines "the dealer charged me to much" has no one to blame but themselves. For something like a new Shelby, which is not a "necessity" it's impossible to be charged "too much". You're charged what you're willing to pay, and if you're dumb enough to pay a premium of several thousand dollars, you weren't "charged to much"....you were charged what you were willing to pay.

So......if you go out and pay $10K over MSRP for a new Shelby, don't come back here whining about it. YOU made the decision to pay the price.

(rant mode off)

Bob

Thanks for saying this. You are right - if you don't want to pay for it, don't. If you want it bad enough, you will. I can see the line-ups now for the new PS3 and Xbox 360 updates. Remember those? Same deal. I wanted one, but never did cause I couldn't justify the price just to play Gran Tourismo (the only game I play anyway). Worked out fine cause by not buying PS2 even, I had kids and don't get a chance to play anymore now. Money saved and I don't have my wife complaining I bought something ELSE that I don't use. :D

[dgilmore]

I agree with everything that has been said about the ADM, certainly it is each one's decision to pay or not to pay, and you can't complain about it if you choose to do it. If I do have a "complaint" it is that I guess I got spoiled with my current SVT. I got a super car at a great value, and with the current one at it's current price the same value is questionable. Same speed with no IRS??? Might not be worth 15k more, at least to me.

Some talk about "Shelby value" or the status of the car. I don't care about that. I buy em to drive and enjoy.

[cobra sean]

Hot Rod Magazine did a test this month also and IS ABSOLUTELY thrilled about the car. Don't remember the #'s but they were real happy with the car. I wonder if the car C&D & Motor Trend got was a pre-production unit.
The only numbers that i got form HOT ROD Magazine was the HP. They said on page 50 on the July 2006, (Ford claims 475hp, But their engineers claim 485-plus). Personal i can't wait to see this car in the show room floor!

[deactivated]

i saw two on the car show floor this weekend. kinda ho hum really. oh sure there were lots of people drooling over it. the engine bay just didn't seem to have that WOW effect on me that the 03/04s did.

[cobra sean]

(rant mode on)

Let me start off by saying that I don't like ADM's and will not pay them. Just won't do it.

That said, a dealer has the right to charge whatever the market will bear. Someone who whines "the dealer charged me to much" has no one to blame but themselves. For something like a new Shelby, which is not a "necessity" it's impossible to be charged "too much". You're charged what you're willing to pay, and if you're dumb enough to pay a premium of several thousand dollars, you weren't "charged to much"....you were charged what you were willing to pay.

So......if you go out and pay $10K over MSRP for a new Shelby, don't come back here whining about it. YOU made the decision to pay the price.

(rant mode off)

Bob

Your Right the sales men i talked to over at Swanson-Fahrney Ford in Selma California. Said, that they will probably be marking them up 14K over MSRP. He also told me that they would probably get them in, in August. But every dealership is different. But no definites. Ya you really can't complain about the price, it's a limited prodution car. They have you cause if you won't pay it there will be someone who dose. This car isn't a plan GT your not going to get them down. it's a Shelby/SVT. Really the only way to get a cheeper price is if you know the owner really well, or you know Shelby really well. There is the other alterative wait till someone lets got of there GT500 and let them take the hit of 10 or 14K or more.

[cobra sean]

i saw two on the car show floor this weekend. kinda ho hum really. oh sure there were lots of people drooling over it. the engine bay just didn't seem to have that WOW effect on me that the 03/04s did.
Really they have them out were you are. The Shelby/ SVT GT500?

[bhartman]

Really the only way to get a cheeper price...

...to wait until next year and get a Ford Rebate for one of the ones still sitting on the lot.

I'm hoping for the same thing that happend with the '03's/'04's. :cool:

[cobra sean]

Do you think that there going to have a GT500 sit on the lot that long? caues the 03 04 cobras (which i really like.) was one of the larges production years for SVT on the cobra project. I believe there were 14,000 of them made in one of those years. if i'm wrong let me know. I believe in one of the mag i read ( I don't know wich one at this time) they were only going to make 900 something of them. I thought that these cars were going to be a very limited production, like the cobra R's.

[cobra sean]

...to wait until next year and get a Ford Rebate for one of the ones still sitting on the lot.

I'm hoping for the same thing that happend with the '03's/'04's. :cool:
Sorry dude gest read you Profile. do you think that there going to stay on the lot that long?

[keilhauer]

With the waiting lists most dealers have for this car (we have 51 very anxious buyers), I highly doubt that there will be any sitting on a dealers't lot, especially with the numbers they'll be getting. Remember, in the U.S. almost every dealer can get one, so how hard will it be to sell 1, 2 or even 3? Up here in Canada, the cars are only available at one of the existing 27 SVT Dealers and we're getting 15, so with our 51 waiting, it won't be a problem. Some know it'll be an '08 (if Ford builds them a second year) and are completely fine with that, and more call us every week wanting to get in on the action.

[bhartman]

I highly doubt that there will be any sitting on a dealers't lot,

Hey! We're all entitled to dream a little. ;)

Let's see... My '03 is paid for in '09. So, maybe I can get a 2010 model. :hehe:

[cobra sean]

Hey! We're all entitled to dream a little. ;)

Let's see... My '03 is paid for in '09. So, maybe I can get a 2010 model. :hehe:
Yes we all are! Don't get me wrong I really like the GT500, but a 03 cobra is a really cool car to have.

[bhartman]

Yes we all are! Don't get me wrong I really like the GT500, but a 03 cobra is a really cool car to have.

What will be even cooler is keeping my '03 and buying a 2010 GT500. :tmb:

[SVTIM]

I have seen a lot of posts on a lot of sites slammin the GT500 and a lot of them were 03 04 Cobra owners. Yea, I know C&D slammed the car. Carefully read that article and it it obviuos the bias they have. Example, the corvette seats suck, the Shelby seats are much better. Yet when they come up with the numerical ratings, the Corvette rated higher, LOL Anyway, yes the car is too heavy. But MM& FF brought in a real driver and pulled a best of 12.25 @117. !2.60's with the traction control on! Dont get me wrong, I got my Shelby for MSRP. Had I not I would have been looking for an 03/04 Cobra. I love the cars but, given the choice, I'll keep my Shelby!

[bhartman]

I'll keep my Shelby!

You "have" your Shelby?

[SVTIM]

You "have" your Shelby?


No, Just my order confimation at this point. I am hearing some with delivery dates the end of June. I expect mine will be further out. Patients is the name of the game

[RevMatt]

No, Just my order confimation at this point. I am hearing some with delivery dates the end of June. I expect mine will be further out. Patients is the name of the game
:wzup:
I have read another websight implying a release of 1 July 06 OR 4 July 06 (American Independence Day!) as possible dates for the first regular production 07 Shelby GT 500s. :tmb: i would LOVE to see a stock 04/04 Cobra vs a stock GT 500. Are you able and interested in trying a run after you receive yours?!? :wow: Are you getting a coupe or vert? Please keep us posted on the status and your opinions about yours!! Congrats!! I may be looking to replace my 04 Mystic vert with an 09 GT 500 if the reviews, and my test drives, go well. I hope you enjoy your new SVT!!!
Matt

[SVTIM]

Coupe.Im not much of a drag racer. I prefer the corner route! I use my 97 for that.I do agree it would make an interesting race! Im sure someone will do it!