Saleen or GT500?

[dgilmore]

At the risk of getting shouted off the SVT board asking about a Saleen, I will ask anyway. I currently have an 03 convertible and really like the new body style. I know the first run of 07 GT500's will be way overpriced and was thinking about buying a supercharged Saleen convertible.

The horsepower will be close and I know the transmission and engine will be different. Any comments? Thoughts? Warnings?

I do like the way they look, and I could get one for about 55 grand or so, maybe less now that the 500 is coming out.

Thanks

Dennis

[stangluvr]

I am not currently aware of the Saleen performance, but going from knowledge of previous comparisons i.e. Saleen/03-04 Cobra I would venture to say wait for the GT 500. If you are looking for exclusivity and you have 55k to drop, then why not the Saleen. It would be my guess though, that you will get more bang for the buck with the GT 500. I wouldn't count on the Saleen dropping in price andy time soon though.

[BD84742]

I actually saw a (Saleen S281 Extreme and standard S281 SC) the past weekend from a car show. I sat in it and it was actually nice, but it feels like my '04 Cobra has a little more space inside. It was advertised to have 550 HP and it is a 6 speed, not too bad at all. Made me think for a while but as soon as I went home I looked at my '04 and just couldn't let go....I'd probably just put some more money in it to bring it up to 500-600 HP. :) To keep up with the Zo6's and Saleen...... :) :) :)

[NJStangFan]

This is like choosing a favorite flavor of ice cream. It's all about personal choice. :D

[vger]

It is all about what you like and can afford. For me I would wait for the G.T 500 to come out, the price to normalize and the first run bugs to be worked out. Remember the 2003 bugs?

[slowpoke]

Saleen is available NOW, the bugs are out of it now that is on second year.
the resale value is great. Saleen has a lot of racing history.

My brother just got an 06 Sallen 281 SG....he thought of Shelby also, but got tired of price rumors, availablity issues, changes in car... then he added up changes he would do to Shelby, large wheels, lowered that already come on Saleen

Buy Saleen keep for two years, then sell and buy Shelby if you still gotta have one, two years from now a lot can happen in this world

And be warned Saleen dealers could care less about selling them............I think they have same problem SVO had before SVT redeeem the mustang enthuthist

[latenite]

Foose doing production Mustang line? (http://www.uniqueperformance.com/samsclubauction.aspx)

Between the offerings from Roush, Saleen and Foose, Ford needs to pay attention when they go to put a sale price and production numbers out for the GT500.

Don't be trying to offer up a Corvette priced Mustang.

Too many better looking vehicles that everybody won't have like the Roush Stage 2, or Saleen Extreme. Last but not least, Chip Foose enters the fray with a package for 42K. It's only 325 horsepower but it's a headturner still.

[latenite]

It is all about what you like and can afford. For me I would wait for the G.T 500 to come out, the price to normalize and the first run bugs to be worked out. Remember the 2003 bugs?

Not to go into a thread drift, but what bugs? I just bought mine in April last year.

It's a redfire vert also.

[RevMatt]

At the risk of getting shouted off the SVT board asking about a Saleen, I will ask anyway. I currently have an 03 convertible and really like the new body style. I know the first run of 07 GT500's will be way overpriced and was thinking about buying a supercharged Saleen convertible.

The horsepower will be close and I know the transmission and engine will be different. Any comments? Thoughts? Warnings?

I do like the way they look, and I could get one for about 55 grand or so, maybe less now that the 500 is coming out.

Thanks

Dennis
I priced a Saleen with all of the bells & whistles... They want 80k @ 435 hp!!! :jawdrop:

[vger]

Not to go into a thread drift, but what bugs? I just bought mine in April last year.

It's a redfire vert also.



Engine tick, driveshaft vib, just to name a couple.
Mine was made after the engine tick was fixed and my vib was a bad balance on the tires from the factory. I still have a leaky tail light (drivers side). It's been replaced 3 times now. My drivers side mirror wiggles like crazy and it's been replaced 3 times now. But I would not trade Her for anything.

Hey Greg if you read this I thought that NJStangFan and I resopnded to this
Question about "What bugs?" but the responce seems to be gone now. What happened??? :huh:

[bhartman]

Actually, IMO, the bugs were with the '02 1/2 Cobras (made on the '02 Mustang assembly line), not the '03's.

I have one of the '02 1/2's and the day I drove it off the lot the vibration was so bad I couldn't see out of the rearview mirror going down the highway.
I've had the IRS replaced and I'm on my 3rd drive-shaft.

I have the "Tick". Had to have the computer reflashed for the Stall Problem. Dash vibration noise, Drifts to the right, etc.

[apexmotorsports]

The Foose is a headturner but it is WAY overpriced compared to what is out there. I don't think you will be disappointed with either the Saleen or the GT500. Only issue with the GT5000 will be dealers will be jacking up the prices for them.

[vger]

Had to have the computer reflashed for the Stall Problem.


Ditto. The reflash was like night and day.

[gcassidy]

Like Jamie said, this is a personal choice. Which one gets your juices running when you drive it?
What, you haven't driven a GT500 yet. Then not enough data to choose. Have you driven the new Saleen yet? If not, this is all just about which one looks better.
Again, personal choices.

[dgilmore]

The list price might be 80k, but they aren't selling on Ebay even for 50-60k.

Dennis

[latenite]

Actually, IMO, the bugs were with the '02 1/2 Cobras (made on the '02 Mustang assembly line), not the '03's.

I have one of the '02 1/2's and the day I drove it off the lot the vibration was so bad I couldn't see out of the rearview mirror going down the highway.
I've had the IRS replaced and I'm on my 3rd drive-shaft.

I have the "Tick". Had to have the computer reflashed for the Stall Problem. Dash vibration noise, Drifts to the right, etc.

Thanks for the tip on the reflash. I've had it stall a couple of times since I've owned it for no apparent reason.

[canadasvt]

I like the looks of the saleen better. The Shelby just looks too much like a regular V6 Mustang.

[TBSVTOA]

Saleen Extreme is an awesome car,But Will still cost more than the GT500 after its marked up. Last sticker I saw was over 60k.

At the same time you know Saleen is not disappear anytime soon. I would like the GT500 if I could get one at sticker but I would pay no more. I would rather spend that cash and build a track car.

[3ponies]

My 03 Vert 10th Anniversary edition is my second SVT. My wife has an 05 Roush. From what I hear about quality and standing behind the warranty from Ford Dealers selling Saleen's I would not buy one. To many other cool options like Steeda and Roush available at better prices. Just an opinion. Saleens are cool looking and come with bigger wheels but it would not be my pick.

Good shopping!

[RevMatt]

My 03 Vert 10th Anniversary edition is my second SVT. My wife has an 05 Roush. From what I hear about quality and standing behind the warranty from Ford Dealers selling Saleen's I would not buy one. To many other cool options like Steeda and Roush available at better prices. Just an opinion. Saleens are cool looking and come with bigger wheels but it would not be my pick.

Good shopping!
:tmb: Not only are the 03-04 Cobras lass expensive than the other parties mentioned, they are great performers with a large variety of easy and affordable aftermarket improvements available! I had a Mustang 440A and an 2005 Ford Mustang GT Roush pull up along side me on the freeway recently. I had great fun watching them fade into scenery in my rear/side view mirrors! :spank: I have another $3,000.00-$5,000.00 in mods left to do on my 04 Cobra before it is "done." :cool: I prefer my 04 Cobra over ANY of the aforementioned (including those in the title) prior to my completion. :kiss: I will overwhelming prefer my baby to these new kids on the block following my suspension, tires/wheels and custom tuning! :jawdrop:

[HorseTraderDave]

If anyone is interested in a GT500, send me a private message. I have "accidentally" ordered two of them. I will be looking to make a profit, but not as much as the $15,000 over MSRP that they are posting for on Ebay. I would like to get one sold quickly...so don't wait too long. One of mine is already ordered...but they've told me I can change the color/options if I get with them fairly quickly.

I know all the typical questions....
1)No, I don't know MSRP yet.
2) No, I don't have delivery date yet.
3) Yes, I do have a signed sales agreement with my dealer to purchase at some amount over MSRP.
4) Yes, there is a gas guzzler tax on this vehicle
5) Yes, I did have to pay the $1,500 "dealer participation fee" since my dealer was not SVT certified...so you'll have to pay that as well.
6) It is a coupe, not a vert
7) I am in Indiana, you would be able to pick up the car at the dealership...you'd simply pay me to "take my place in line". I do have a non-refundable deposit at the dealer.
8) Sales tax in Indiana is 6%

Let me know...SOON!

Dave

[NJStangFan]

I have "accidentally" ordered two of them.
I hope my wife "accidentally" buys me one! :haha: :hehe: :spinem:

[Sharppony]

Just got off the phone with my Dealer Advisor from Holman Ford and he said they were told this week they are getting 4 GT500s total for 2007! That is their allocation, 4! Here is a car that dealers can sell (meaning there are people actually wanting to buy them ) and they can't get there hands on them! :thud:

[NJStangFan]

Is one of those for you?

[canadasvt]

Anyone know if the GT500 will have the third brake light in the spoiler like the prototype, or in the trunk lid like the V6? All the latest ones I've seen have it in the trunk :(

[gcassidy]

Damn. And I was gonna get one, till I heard that. :rant:

[Sharppony]

Is one of those for you?
:bash: No, I am not getting a 2007 GT500! :bash:

[gcassidy]

:bash: No, I am not getting a 2007 GT500! :bash:
When's it coming in?

[TBSVTOA]

Did anyone notice Carol Shelby at Barret Jackson in Palm Beach.

He was Sporting a black Polo with a GT500 Cobra on and a SVT logo beside it.

I thought it was interesting.

[RevMatt]

Did anyone notice Carol Shelby at Barret Jackson in Palm Beach.

He was Sporting a black Polo with a GT500 Cobra on and a SVT logo beside it.

I thought it was interesting.
:huh: :wow: :wtf: :jawdrop: :confused: :cbra:

[NJStangFan]

Did anyone notice Carol Shelby at Barret Jackson in Palm Beach.

He was Sporting a black Polo with a GT500 Cobra on and a SVT logo beside it.

I thought it was interesting.

Flaunting your ability to get into exclusive events will not win you any friends around here!!! :spank: :D :moon:

[dsublett]

This week I got the information from my dealer on the Shelby GT500. They did have 1 available to reserve, but it required a 25K deposit to hold and the car is to be sold for 35K over MSRP, which is around 80K for the vert!! I know this is a cool car, but it aint that cool!! I'm stickin with my '99 vert for now. The Saleen SC coupe is around 58K and the vert is around 62K. A fully loaded Roush stage 3 vert is around 56K fully loaded. I got these prices this week after getting the information on the Shelby. Ford really needs to make a more reasonable priced driver that's a cut above the GT!

[marcobra]

...and the car is to be sold for 35K over MSRP, which is around 80K for the vert!! ...

In 1965 the MSRP for the Shelby GT350 was nearly twice that as the mustang fastback. Was there a markup then?

[bhartman]

This week I got the information from my dealer on the Shelby GT500. They did have 1 available to reserve, but it required a 25K deposit to hold and the car is to be sold for 35K over MSRP, which is around 80K for the vert!! I know this is a cool car, but it aint that cool!! I'm stickin with my '99 vert for now. The Saleen SC coupe is around 58K and the vert is around 62K. A fully loaded Roush stage 3 vert is around 56K fully loaded. I got these prices this week after getting the information on the Shelby. Ford really needs to make a more reasonable priced driver that's a cut above the GT!

For $70K you can get a new Z06, which will totally kick any Ford, SVT, Rousch, Saleen, Steeda, etc. Mustang butt!

I'm sorry, but ANY Mustang over $40K just isn't worth it!

[3ponies]

Phillips Ford in Phillips Wisconsin has a GT500 on order. You can get it for something over sticker but nothing like these prices. Ask for Steve!

I'll wait for the 08 before I determine what I want. I kind of like the GT H that Shelby/Hertz?Ford are putting out. They are only going to make 500 of them.

[Chris C.]

I was told that if any shelby is sold on ebay through a dealer that its very bad news for the dealer from ford.

[gcassidy]

Posted earlier this month:
http://www.svtownersassociation.com/svtoaforums/showpost.php?p=91901&postcount=142

Reply from someone who should know:
http://www.svtownersassociation.com/svtoaforums/showpost.php?p=91916&postcount=143

If that's true, then Ford has no recourse if a dealer sells on ebay.

[supercharge]

Right now the 281s saleen is the car.The shellby will of course be the one that has value but look at it this way---i drove one last week & at 57k you can't go wrong.This car matches a z06 & viper, z06-$80k--viper $90--do the math. this car is smokin & right now it's the best looking street machine out there.

[bhartman]

Right now the 281s saleen is the car.The shellby will of course be the one that has value but look at it this way---i drove one last week & at 57k you can't go wrong.This car matches a z06 & viper, z06-$80k--viper $90--do the math. this car is smokin & right now it's the best looking street machine out there.

Are you saying the Saleen 281S matches the new Z06 & new Viper in performance or Bang-For-Buck?

[supercharge]

bang-for-buck-----nothing out there will match the z06 in performance

[NJStangFan]

Nothing?

http://www.motordesktop.com/wallpaper/supercars/Ford%20GT%20Red%20-%201024x768.jpg

[deactivated]

nothing off of a showroom floor.


don't buy a saleen. The S in SOHC doesnt stand for Saleen....it stands for sucks.

[RevMatt]

:wzup:
I received a brochure in the mail from Ford last week. The "cover" says "SNEAK". The brochure is promoting "Bold Moves" and especially the GT 500 Shelby. The Cover/opening has 1/2 of the front end photo of the car and they call it a Shelby Cobra GT 500 and they claim that it has 450 bhp!!!! :eek: Ford is advertising their car based on 3-6 month old info? This was NOT a cheap brochure!!!
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I received my latest Road and Track with its first actual driving analysis of the Shelby GT 500. Without going into any detail, I will tell you that the 03/04 SVT Cobras run a better 0-60, 1/4 mile and still retained its IRS. The 07s lost their IRS and are still slower than the 03-04s !!!! :jawdrop:
As Howard Cossell would say, "What a pathetic performance!" :barfy:

[RevMatt]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/roadtests/pdf/2002_08_cobra_data.pdf

[marcobra]

:wzup:
... I received my latest Road and Track with its first actual driving analysis of the Shelby GT 500. Without going into any detail, I will tell you that the 03/04 SVT Cobras run a better 0-60, 1/4 mile and still retained its IRS. The 07s lost their IRS and are still slower than the 03-04s !!!! :jawdrop:
As Howard Cossell would say, "What a pathetic performance!" :barfy:

And even more confusion! Hot Rot magazine (http://www.hotrod.com/toc/thismonth/) writes of the Shelby GT500 as if it were the second coming of Christ! The GAH GAH article goes so far as to say the IRS on the 03/04 is a problem. The cover says it runs in the low 12s, but careful reading shows the time to be only an estimate. So much for critical review.

http://www.mcmlv.com/images/hdrp_0607_cover_l.jpg

[naielah]

I don't see why anyone would pay $65K for a pretty mustang (Saleen) with a 4.6L (stock mustang engine) with a "pretty" blower and tune on it. The GT 500, for $41K after nastalgia, will provide you with a 5.4L, DOHC, 4V, forged internal part engine. This is a "no brainer."

[dgilmore]

Good luck finding one for $41,000......

[naielah]

Notice I said, "...after nastalgia,..."

[NJStangFan]

Good luck finding one for $41,000......

:hehe: :spinem:

Let the price gouging begin!!! :spank:

[randrade1]

i'd put some money into your cobra to make it faster and wouls wait about 2 years until the price has droped and buy a GT500.


Mr. Shelby wont be around forever, the car is going to be a collectors item.

[deactivated]

I'm still waiting for a Coletti Cobra.

[vger]

Anyone have a time machine so we can see what's going to happen?? :allhail: :cool:

[dgilmore]

Actually if my current SVT is quicker than the GT500, maybe I'll keep it since it is almost paid for. If what the previous posters said is true about the GT500's performance, the car might be way overpriced, considering they added 110 horsepower. For 60k I could get a Corvette, perish the thought.

[07shelby]

FYI I raced my friends 2005 Saleen with the 475 upgrade and beat him. I know the Saleen has less weight. I was wondering what the actual weight was. I know the Mustang GT is about 3550lbs





At the risk of getting shouted off the SVT board asking about a Saleen, I will ask anyway. I currently have an 03 convertible and really like the new body style. I know the first run of 07 GT500's will be way overpriced and was thinking about buying a supercharged Saleen convertible.

The horsepower will be close and I know the transmission and engine will be different. Any comments? Thoughts? Warnings?

I do like the way they look, and I could get one for about 55 grand or so, maybe less now that the 500 is coming out.

Thanks

Dennis

[slowpoke]

My Brother is VERY dissapointed in his Saleen S281
Ford Dealers don't want to work on it
Runs like crap
Had to spend $$$ just to get it to perform like it should out of box

All Show no go, no support
Wishes he would have bought used Cobra :thud:

[rjmoore]

The horsepower will be different! I paid $50,000 on the road for my GT-500. I believe the Saleens have a 3 valve 5.4 where the GT-500 has 4 valve cobra-jet heads, the same heads that's on the GT. And you can have your car tuned to deliver mega horsepower. Currently mine is making 570 rwhp with 560# of torque. That is equal to 625 fly wheel horses.

[07shelby]

My good friend had Saleen bump his car up to 475 hp and we went at it after the upgrade and the GT500 was the winner. FYI...He does have a beautiful car but my taste is more toward the GT500...




At the risk of getting shouted off the SVT board asking about a Saleen, I will ask anyway. I currently have an 03 convertible and really like the new body style. I know the first run of 07 GT500's will be way overpriced and was thinking about buying a supercharged Saleen convertible.

The horsepower will be close and I know the transmission and engine will be different. Any comments? Thoughts? Warnings?

I do like the way they look, and I could get one for about 55 grand or so, maybe less now that the 500 is coming out.

Thanks

Dennis

[07shelby]

My good friend who has the Saleen paid $2000.00 more than I did for my GT500


My good friend had Saleen bump his car up to 475 hp and we went at it after the upgrade and the GT500 was the winner. FYI...He does have a beautiful car but my taste is more toward the GT500...

[07shelby]

Saleens have a 4.6 liter only GT500's have a 5.4

[aonebadbone]

bang-for-buck-----nothing out there will match the z06 in performance
Don't kid Yourself You cant buy a c6 for less than 80,000 and You can buy a gt 500 for about 65,000 and for 2,000 you can get a cai and pulley and tune and blow the doors of any chevy