Ontario's proposed drag racing bill

[skatepunk]

hey sure you call heard about this bill...

http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20021213-007/page.asp

Looked into it... don'tpanic... it is all based on chemicals really nothing really about mods...

I didn't think it was legal to us nos on the street anyway...

I will see if I can find the bill in a web format and paste it here

[ugothit]

ya, here's more info on it!!

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/news/provincial/2002/121202.htm

[ugothit]

and even more

scroll down to statement and responses

http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/house_debates/37_parl/Session3/L072A.htm#P598_141182

[skatepunk]

Dunno... I am going to try to find the actual bill on monday... this doesn't cover much

[GaborVincer]

They always are trying to take the fun out of life :(

[skatepunk]

don't think it will get to far.. it is only a bill.. if it does it could take years

[ugothit]

If they would just let somebody open a track close to here.:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[skatepunk]

Originally posted by ugothit
If they would just let somebody open a track close to here.:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Thought that was mccown :D

[arboc96]

u can sign a petition at this LINK (http://www.autoforum.ca/CFN/cfn.html) ...i signed it yesterday...i was number 1555...i think it is over 1900 sigs now...;)

[GapBoyPCS]

I'll see if any contacts I have in the provincial ministries can get me a copy.

As for those on-line petitions, they are running rampant on all forums. Great intentions, but some of those "comments" people have left really bring down the "seriousness" of the issue.

You think some of the major car clubs in Ontario would band together ;)

[arboc96]

sig total just hit 2351!...and growing...;)

[skatepunk]

Add another

[GaborVincer]

Just an idea I know it's a reach but to have a Club owned race park, there has to be a millionare among us?:cool:


:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

[GaborVincer]

I was driving on the Autobond and remember coming up on a slow car "flashing him to pass" and he moved over, now that would be a beautiful idea in a country that here in Canada gets you a middle finger. Or when you get to a construction site and people just don't slow down unlike the States when you do get to a area where there is road improvements being done I have alot of the times seen a Trooper sitting there with lights on not to give people a ticket but to show a defenit presence and people do slow down.

I see how blind government can be and usually the wrong thing is done to solve a problem that is easily fixed, you ask how I say it is very simple EDUCATION!! Give the people the tools they need to get on the roads and be able to survive on our streets with the ability to drive in the rain and snow , have their cars equiped with proper tires for the climate etc. It's a joke the testing the DOT does to give a person a drivers lic. In a nut shell make testing for a drivers lic. more the same as it is in Europe and a fact even the Government knows is that speed doesn't kill but stupidity does.

I know alot of people have said this a million time but I thought I needed to say it again. get dumb drivers off the road and to driving school. I wonder if Young Drivers of Canada gives their clients the knowledge they really need like skid controll, avoiding accidents, how to brake and steer around a stalled car on the highway in the middle lane etc.

I said enough :tmb:


:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

[XFIRECHIEF]

What do you think is right? I think they should take away the car of anyone caught drag racing on public roads & let the Police use it like they do when they catch a drug dealer. No 2nd chance at all. But thats just me. I was in the Fire service for 33 years & was the one called to cut the bodies out of the wreaks caused by the racers who hit the family car pulling out of the parking lot.

[GapBoyPCS]

Originally posted by GaborVincer

I know alot of people have said this a million time but I thought I needed to say it again. get dumb drivers off the road and to driving school. I wonder if Young Drivers of Canada gives their clients the knoledge they really need like skid controll, avoiding accidents, how to brake and steer around a stalled car on the highway in the middle lane etc.


I still remember most of the stuff from YD. I have to admit it was worth the $400 (1994) my parents spent on me. I've had to use the brake-and-avoid a few times, as well as threshold braking. Plus, my instructor had a Z24 V6 with ABS, so I got a crash course in learning how to use ABS.

[GaborVincer]

Hey Firechief I know that street racing is a problem but the real problem is that you have alot of dumb a$$ drivers out there. I don't know all the facts but I could guess that there are more drunks on the road then street racers. I can only hope I don't get into an accident with a drunk driver. They tend to walk and kill who they hit.

In Ontario, Can. they are introducing a breathalizer after a conviction mind you this thing is like a breathalizer that will prevent you car from starting and also at a random interval will ask for a sample will you are driving. I beleive first conviction you have it for a year then after that it becomes a lifetime thing. A step in the right direction if you ask me. But like everything there are loop holes the guy can still drive someone elses car that doesn't have the devise. The thing I also like is that the unit is bought by the convicted driver and doesn't burden the taxpayer.

I still think a place for the street racers to go will keep them off the road. You hang out at the coffee shop, make your bet, then you drive to the track instead of the streets. It would be cool if the money spent on patroling the streets would go to running a track.

To take the car away will not solve the problem it will only fuel it. The answer is not simple and if it was we all could sleep better. I know I don't have the answer but street racing is a part of our lives like it or not.


:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

[arboc96]

total now at 2894 :tmb:

[GapBoyPCS]

Food for thought:

Bill 241 (http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bills/37_Parliament/Session3/b241_e.htm)

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
Just an idea I know it's a reach but to have a Club owned race park, there has to be a millionare among us?:cool:


:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

It's not a bad idea, the problem being that it's not entirely practical in this area just because of all the urban sprawl

now of course if the Cdn Government would be kind enough to sell off the air strips at downsview, it might work :)

[GaborVincer]

True the Canadian government is or has millions but they only take they rarelly give.;) Downsview would be good..

:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

[khaine]

well I did have one other thought, but I don't have enough money to make it work.... :(

[ugothit]

Originally posted by khaine
well I did have one other thought, but I don't have enough money to make it work.... :(

well maybe if ya sold the Shelby ya might!!! LOL just kidding!

[khaine]

Originally posted by ugothit
well maybe if ya sold the Shelby ya might!!! LOL just kidding!

naw... still not enough... lol

[GaborVincer]

Just like Tim to suggest getting rid of the Shelby I would get rid of the truck hehehe:bna :bna

:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

[khaine]

Tim is trying to catch up to me in Toys ;)

[LeadfootLightnin]

We finally got a High Caliber oval Track! Kawartha Speedway Rules!:D

[GaborVincer]

I thought you needed a cage to run ovals:huh:

:allhail: :cbra: :allhail:

[arboc96]

Originally posted by khaine
Tim is trying to catch up to me in Toys ;)

this should be a good race...hehehe

[GaborVincer]

It should be a good race but isn't the real race against that yellow Viper that Timmy is looking to beat:p :D

[skatepunk]

hehehe lets just hope he gives the A$$ Spanking and not recieve it again:)

[khaine]

I got a cage coming for my car :D

[arboc96]

Originally posted by khaine
I got a cage coming for my car :D

u know that classes u as a street racer...u are guilty b4 u are even charged :huh:

[khaine]

Originally posted by arboc96
u know that classes u as a street racer...u are guilty b4 u are even charged :huh:

hrmmm.... I would think that most street racers don't have cages, since it doesn't make them any faster.... besides I'll be tinting my windows shortly too:D

[GaborVincer]

Originally posted by skatepunk
hehehe lets just hope he gives the A$$ Spanking and not recieve it again:)

He may like a little:spank: :spank: :spank:

I would never see the race unless he would have a camera recording it , not to say I wouldn't beleive him:D :D

[skatepunk]

okay back on topic for a sec... here is another petition to sign

http://www.petitiononline.com/sect1722/petition.html

[SVTgirl]

and here is the proposed bill for reading...

http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bills/37_Parliament/Session3/b241_e.htm

[skatepunk]

already read it... good to see tax dollars going to something useless yet again

[khaine]

Originally posted by skatepunk
already read it... good to see tax dollars going to something useless yet again

most tax dollars go to something useless.... like the gun registry... $1 billion and counting, no end in sight, but the principle of the thing is good :wtf: :fryem:

[GaborVincer]

Register all the guns so they know who bought the thing but once it's stolen then what?????:guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: the guns are still one the street. Another government wise move to make the streets safer for the criminals:bash: :bash:

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
Register all the guns so they know who bought the thing but once it's stolen then what?????:guns: :guns: :guns: :guns: the guns are still one the street. Another government wise move to make the streets safer for the criminals:bash: :bash:

well it's all about optics..... just think.... england decided to ban replica handguns because people were using them to commit crimes, so now instead they use real handguns because they are much easier to get...

on top of which since their last round of gun laws went into effect, gun violence is up by 35%....

[GaborVincer]

It almost seems the more you try to control the more people do what you don't want. It seems that Canada is a cultural soup of all nations and it is hard to live together. But we still live in a country that offers alot :tmb:

[skatepunk]

I think that the more rules that are forced on us, the worse things get... the create new laws, we find ways around them or find a alternitive

somedays anarchy looks good.... but that too would be a pain

[GaborVincer]

We all own missiles but they have four wheels:) :) :) :)

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
We all own missals but they have four wheels:) :) :) :)

maybe I'm confused from work today... but what's a missal?

[SVTgirl]

Gabor.. you're getting quite good with those emoticons... I remember when you didn't even know how to put up an avatar :bna

speaking of avatars... where's your's khaine?

[khaine]

Originally posted by SVTgirl
speaking of avatars... where's your's khaine?

sorry, I've been too busy postwhoring :D

[GaborVincer]

Khaine,Why are you busting my ba||s:D I sometimes don't check what I write I ment to say missile you know rocket propelled :hbomb: !!!!Its not that far of a leap to get what I was trying to say;)

But a missal is a book that contains prayers for a Roman Catholic Mass, if you were wondering... ;)

[GaborVincer]

Originally posted by SVTgirl
Gabor.. you're getting quite good with those emoticons... I remember when you didn't even know how to put up an avatar :bna



Van,

Why do you think I am getting good is because of :spank: or :guns:

:D :D

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
Khaine,Why are you busting my ba||s:D I sometimes don't check what I write I ment to say missile you know rocket propelled :hbomb: !!!!Its not that far of a leap to get what I was trying to say;)

But a missal is a book that contains prayers for a Roman Catholic Mass, if you were wondering... ;)

because it's fun :D

and I'm horribly bored right now.... although I have been thinking of working on the engine that's in my garage :D

and just remember I do it to everyone... but especially jay :tmb:

[skatepunk]

Originally posted by khaine
because it's fun :D

and I'm horribly bored right now.... although I have been thinking of working on the engine that's in my garage :D

and just remember I do it to everyone... but especially jay :tmb:

yea you just gotta take it as much as you dish it out :D

[khaine]

Originally posted by skatepunk
yea you just gotta take it as much as you dish it out :D

well I would if you guys could keep up and I was more typo prone :D

[GaborVincer]

Originally posted by khaine

and just remember I do it to everyone... but especially jay :tmb:


If you do it to Jay then it's OK :bash: :bash:

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
If you do it to Jay then it's OK :bash: :bash:

lol... only with jay right? :spank:

[GaborVincer]

yup:cool:

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
yup:cool:

but I'm an equal oportunity typo abuser :D

[GaborVincer]

:allhail: :cool: :bna :cool: :allhail:

Typo abuzzer iss thad the samme as a post whorre

:D :D

[khaine]

Originally posted by GaborVincer
:allhail: :cool: :bna :cool: :allhail:

Typo abuzzer iss thad the samme as a post whorre

:D :D

lol.... I'm already a postwhore

[SVTgirl]

okay... so who's in for trying to do something to stop them from passing this bill!!???

[khaine]

Originally posted by SVTgirl
okay... so who's in for trying to do something to stop them from passing this bill!!???

I've already written to the transport minister, the premier and my local MPP

[U TINK]

Originally posted by SVTgirl
okay... so who's in for trying to do something to stop them from passing this bill!!??? It`s not going to defur me from having my little blue bottle filled to the top and bolted down.:bna

[arboc96]

as we speak now...a committe of reps from many ontario performace car clubs is being formed...they include...but are not limited to:

GTAMC
SVTOA-E
SVTOA-T
SCCoO
TFBm
GHMA
DRCMC

if u know of more that should be involved...post there contact info in this thread

as an individual...the committe asks u to make your feelings about bill 241 known in an organized and civil manner...this means letter writing to all the ppl listed else where in this thread (e-mail addy's have been provide)...if thousands of ppl write them on one issue...how can we be ignored...also dont let them forget that this could be an election year!!

forms of protest that are not endoresed by the anti bill 241 committe...include but not limited to:

burnouts infront of queens park / your MPP's office
stageed road blocks
etc etc etc

if any of the above forms of protest take place...the anti bill 241 committe will diassociate its self with u immediately and permanently.

the anti bill 241 committe thanks u for your co-operation in this organized and civil protest

happy letter writing :)

[WNT2DRAG]

Count me in on anything that needs to be done!

We recently got a letter from our ins co.

we are now on "special" insurance due to mods...its got to be stopped!!

:mad:

[skatepunk]

ahh the insurance thing is a whole other issue... lets deal with the bill first...

Then we can push for a new bill on controling the insurance and get ti back to reasonable levels

[khaine]

Originally posted by skatepunk
ahh the insurance thing is a whole other issue... lets deal with the bill first...

Then we can push for a new bill on controling the insurance and get ti back to reasonable levels

"insurance is good for spreading risk around"

god, I pay too much for insurance

[arboc96]

Originally posted by arboc96
as we speak now...a committe of reps from many ontario performace car clubs is being formed...they include...but are not limited to:

GTAMC
SVTOA-E
SVTOA-T
SCCoO
TFBm
GHMA
DRCMC

if u know of more that should be involved...post there contact info in this thread

as an individual...the committe asks u to make your feelings about bill 241 known in an organized and civil manner...this means letter writing to all the ppl listed else where in this thread (e-mail addy's have been provide)...if thousands of ppl write them on one issue...how can we be ignored...also dont let them forget that this could be an election year!!

forms of protest that are not endoresed by the anti bill 241 committe...include but not limited to:

burnouts infront of queens park / your MPP's office
stageed road blocks
etc etc etc

if any of the above forms of protest take place...the anti bill 241 committe will diassociate its self with u immediately and permanently.

the anti bill 241 committe thanks u for your co-operation in this organized and civil protest

happy letter writing :)

i forgot to add that SEMA is also involved in this fight with us now...and it is there urging that we protest in an organized and civil manner